Monday, August 03, 2009

ဘြဲ႔လြန္ တက္သင့္ မသင့္ (၁)

ဒီဘေလာ့ကို လာဖတ္တဲ့ သူေတြဆီကေန သူတို႔ရဲ႕ အျမင့္ဆံုး ပညာေရး အေနအထားကို စစ္တမ္းေလး တစ္ခုအေနနဲ႔ ေကာက္ထားခဲ့ပါတယ္။ စစ္တမ္းရဲ႕ ရည္ရြယ္ခ်က္ကို ႀကိဳတင္ အသိမေပးခဲ့တာကိုေတာ့ ေတာင္းပန္ပါတယ္။ တကယ္ေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္တို႔ ဘြဲ႕လြန္သင္တန္းတစ္ခု ဆက္တက္သင့္မသင့္ကို သံုးသပ္ခ်င္လို႔ပါ။ Vote လုပ္သြားသူေတြကိုလည္း ေက်းဇူး တင္ပါတယ္။


ပံုမွန္ Master ဘြဲ႕ တစ္ခုဟာ အလုပ္ေကာင္းေကာင္း တစ္ခု ရေအာင္ အေထာက္အကူျပဳတယ္လို႔ ကိုယ့္ကိုယ္ကို လက္ခံယံုၾကည္ေအာင္ အခုအခ်ိန္အထိ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ မလုပ္ႏိုင္ေသးပါဘူး။ IT ေလာကမွာ အလုပ္ေတြက ဆရာ၀န္ေတြလိုမ်ိဳး ဘြဲ႕လြန္ ပညာ အရည္အခ်င္းေတြ ပံုမွန္အားျဖင့္ မလိုအပ္ပါဘူး။ ကုမၸဏီအႀကီးႀကီးေတြမွာ အလုပ္လုပ္ခ်င္ရင္ေတာ့ မာစတာဘြဲ႕ ႐ွိထားမွ ျဖစ္ေပမယ့္ Graduate ေလာက္နဲ႔လည္း လစာေကာင္းေကာင္း ရႏိုင္တယ္ဆိုတာ ကိုယ္ေတြ႔ပါပဲ။ အဲဒီအတြက္ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ဟာ မာစတာဘြဲ႕တစ္ခုကို လိုအပ္တယ္လို႔ ေတာ္႐ံုတန္႐ံု မထင္ခဲ့ပါဘူး။

တကယ္ေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ ပ်င္းခဲ့တာလည္း ပါပါတယ္။ အလုပ္ စလုပ္ေနတဲ့ အခ်ိန္မွာ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ဟာ ဘြဲ႕ေတာင္ မရေသးပါဘူး။ ေနာက္မွ ဘြဲ႕ရေအာင္ ေက်ာင္းဆက္တက္ျဖစ္တာပါ။ စကၤာပူ ေရာက္စကလည္း ေရာက္စမို႔လို႔ဆိုၿပီး မာစတာဆက္တက္ဖို႔ ေခါင္းထဲမွာ မ႐ွိပါဘူး။ အဲဒီမွာ အေျခခုိင္သြားေတာ့လည္း တျခားႏိုင္ငံကို ကူးမည္ ဆိုၿပီး ေက်ာင္းတက္ေနရင္ သံေယာဇဥ္ တြယ္ေနမွာစိုးလို႔ အေၾကာင္းျပၿပီး ေက်ာင္းဆက္တက္ဖို႔ကို ဆင္ေျခေပးခဲ့ပါတယ္။ တကယ္ေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္ စကၤာပူမွာ ေနခဲ့တဲ့ အခ်ိန္ဟာ ဘြဲ႕လြန္သင္တန္း တစ္ခု တက္ဖို႔လိုအပ္တာထက္ေတာင္ ပိုေနပါေသးတယ္။ အဲဒါေၾကာင့္ စကၤာပူ ဒါမွမဟုတ္ ႏိုင္ငံရပ္ျခား တစ္ခုကို ေရာက္ေနတဲ့သူေတြဟာ ေရာက္တာနဲ႔ ပညာေရးတစ္ခုကို လိုက္စားမယ္ဆိုရင္ အခ်ိန္တစ္ခု အတြင္းမွာ ပညာေရးတစ္ခု အဖတ္တင္ႏိုင္ေၾကာင္းနဲ႔ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္လို ေနာင္တရတာမ်ိဳးကေန ေ႐ွာင္ႏိုင္တယ္လို႔ ဆိုပါရေစ။ အေျခအေန ေပးရင္ေပ့ါေလ။ ကိုယ့္ကိုယ္က်ေတာ့ အေျခအေန မေပးလိုလို႔ ေျဖသိမ့္ပါတယ္။

ဒီဇယားကို ၾကည့္မည္ဆိုရင္လည္း မ်ားေသာအားျဖင့္ (၈၀% ေက်ာ္ေက်ာ္) က ႏိုင္ငံျခား ေရာက္မွ ဘြဲ႔လြန္ ဆက္တက္ၾကတာကို ေတြ႔ရပါတယ္။ ဒါကလည္း တျခား အေၾကာင္းေတြ ႐ွိႏိုင္ပါတယ္။ ဥပမာ တခ်ိဳ႕က ႏိုင္ငံရပ္ျခား ထြက္ဖို႔ကို ပညာေရးကို Entry  တစ္ခုအေနနဲ႔ Starting Point တစ္ခု အေနနဲ႔ အသံုးခ်ၾကတာပါ။ ဥပမာ စကၤာပူသြားဖို႔ အတြက္ ေက်ာင္းအရင္ ေလွ်ာက္ၿပီး ေက်ာင္းရမွ ေက်ာင္းကို တစ္ႏွစ္ခြဲ ႏွစ္ႏွစ္ တက္ၿပီးေတာ့မွ အလုပ္႐ွာၿပီး အလုပ္လုပ္ၾကပါတယ္။ ဒီလမ္းေၾကာင္းက Risk နည္းတယ္လို႔ ယူဆၾကတာေတြ ႐ွိသလို ေရျခားေျမျခားတစ္ခုမွာ ခ်က္ခ်င္းလက္ငင္းႀကီး အလုပ္သစ္တစ္ခု လုပ္ဖို႔ မ၀ံ့သူေတြအတြက္လည္း သင့္ေတာ္ပါတယ္။ အထူးသျဖင့္ ျမန္မာျပည္မွာ လုပ္ငန္းအေတြ႔အႀကံဳ ေကာင္းေကာင္း မရွိထားသူေတြ အသက္ငယ္ေသးသူေတြ အတြက္ပါ။ ဒီနည္းဟာ မ်ားေသာအားျဖင့္အတြက္ ႏိုင္ငံတစ္ခုကို ေျခလွမ္းစတင္ဖို႔ အေကာင္းဆံုး နည္းလမ္း တစ္ခု ပါပဲ။ ေက်ာင္းတက္ၿပီး တစ္ႏွစ္ေလာက္ ေနရင္ အဲဒီ ႏိုင္ငံအေၾကာင္း အေတာ္အတန္ သိသြားတာမို႔ အစိမ္းလိုက္ႀကီး အလုပ္လာ႐ွာတဲ့ သူထက္ေတာ့ အမ်ားႀကီး လြယ္ကူသြားပါတယ္။ အလုပ္ရဖို႔ အခြင့္အလမ္းလည္း ပိုမ်ားပါတယ္။ စကၤာပူမွ မဟုတ္ဘူ။ ေငြေၾကးတတ္ႏိုင္တဲ့ သူေတြအတြက္ေတာ့ အဂၤလန္ကို သြားခ်င္လည္း ဒီနည္းက အလုပ္ျဖစ္တယ္။ အေမရိကား သြားခ်င္လည္း ျဖစ္ႏိုင္တယ္။ ႏိုင္ငံေပၚ မူတည္ၿပီး ဘယ္လို ပညာေရးမ်ိဳးလည္းနဲ႔ ဘယ္ေလာက္ ကုန္က်သလည္း ပဲကြာသြားမယ္။ 

စကၤာပူမွာေတာ့ အဲဒီမွာ ေက်ာင္းၿပီးမွ PR ရမယ္ဆိုလို႔ ေက်ာင္းဆက္တက္သူေတြလည္း ႐ွိပါတယ္။ ဒါဟာ လြန္ခဲ့တဲ့ ႏွစ္ေတြက အေတာ့္ကို မွန္ခဲ့ေပမယ့္ အခုအခ်ိန္မွာေတာ့ မ႐ွိမျဖစ္ႀကီး မဟုတ္ေတာ့ပါဘူး။ ရွိထားရင္ေတာ့ ေကာင္းတယ္ ဆိုၾကေသးတဲ့ အတြက္ PR ရဖို႔ဆိုၿပီး ေက်ာင္း ဆက္တက္ၾကတာ ေတြ႔ရပါတယ္။ ေနာက္ဆံုးေတာ့လည္း ဒီလို ယံုၾကည္ၿပီး ေက်ာင္းဆက္တက္တဲ့သူေတြပဲ ဘြဲ႕တစ္ခု ထပ္ရသြားၿပီး ေနာက္ေနာင္ တျခားေနရာေတြမွာ ေကာင္းဖို႔ ျဖစ္လာႏိုင္ပါတယ္။

Career နဲ႔ ပက္သက္ၿပီး တိုးတက္ရာ တိုးတက္ေၾကာင္း ဘြဲ႔လြန္တက္ၾကတာကလည္း အဓိက အေၾကာင္းတစ္ခုပါ။ လိုအပ္တဲ့ အခ်ိန္မွာ အသင့္ ႐ွိေနေအာင္လည္း ပါတယ္။ တခ်ိဴ႕ကလည္း ဂ်ပန္လို ႏိုင္ငံမွာ ပညာသင္ဆု လွမ္းေလွ်ာက္ထားတာ ရသြားလို႔ လက္မလႊတ္ႏိုင္လို႔ သြားတတ္ရင္း ဂ်ပန္မွာ အေျခက် အလုပ္ရသြားတာမ်ိဴးေတြလည္း ေတြ႔ရျပန္တယ္။ ေက်ာင္းတက္ဖို႔ ႀကံ႐ြယ္ေနသူလည္း ဂ်ပန္ စေကာ္လာေတြကို စူးစမ္းၾကည့္သင့္ပါတယ္။

ဘာေၾကာင့္ပဲျဖစ္ျဖစ္ အလုပ္လုပ္ေနရင္းနဲ႔ ဘြဲ႕လြန္ဆက္တက္သူေတြကိုေတာ့ ခ်ီးက်ဴးစရာပါ။ ညေန အလုပ္ကဆင္းတာနဲ႔ NTU ကို ေျပးရၿပီ။ (ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ အသိေတြမွာ မ်ားေသာအားျဖင့္က အဲဒီမွာ တက္ၾကတာပါ)။ စာသင္ခန္းထဲေရာက္ေတာ့ လူကအေတာ္ ပင္ပန္းေနၿပီး အိပ္ေတာင္ ငိုက္က်တယ္လို႔ ေျပာၾကတာနဲ႔ ကၽြန္ေတာ္လည္း ေက်ာင္းဆက္တက္ရမွာ တြန္႔သြားပါတယ္။ ၿပီးေတာ့ စကၤာပူ ေရာက္စက အခုမွ လက္ထပ္ကာစ ဆိုေတာ့ သူမနဲ႔လည္း မခြဲႏိုင္တာလည္း ပါမွာေပါ့။ ဒီလိုပဲ ၾကည္ျဖဴေလာက္ေအာင္ ဆင္ေျခေပးရတယ္။


 တကယ္လို႔ ဘြဲ႕ အရည္အခ်င္းေတြကို မၾကည့္ဘဲ ဘယ္မွာ ေနာက္ဆံုး ေက်ာင္းၿပီး ခဲ့လည္း ဆိုတာကိုပဲ ၾကည့္မယ္ဆိုရင္ေတာ့ ျမန္မာျပည္မွာရယ္၊ စကၤာပူမွာရယ္၊ တျခားႏိုင္ငံေတြမွာ ရယ္ အတူတူ နီးပါး ပါပဲ။ ဒီဘေလာ့ကို လာလည္ထဲသူေတြထဲမွာ စကၤာပူက ၅၀% ေက်ာ္ေက်ာ္႐ွိၿပီး ျမန္မာျပည္က လာလည္တဲ့သူဟာ ၁၀ ေယာက္ေတာင္ မ႐ွိခ်င္ပါဘူး။ အဲဒီ ႏွစ္ခ်က္ ေပါင္းၾကည့္ၿပီး မွက္ခ်က္ခ်ရရင္ေတာ့ ျမန္မာျပည္မွာ ေက်ာင္းၿပီးတဲ့သူေတြကလည္း တျခားမွာ ေက်ာင္းၿပီးတဲ့ သူေတြနဲ႔ နည္းတူ ႏိုင္ငံျခားမွာ အလုပ္ရႏိုင္ေၾကာင္းေတြ႔ရပါတယ္။ လစာကေတာ့ ကြာသြားႏိုင္ပါတယ္။ ျမန္မာျပည္မွာပဲ ဘြဲ႕ရခဲ့တဲ့ သူေတြမွာလည္း တျခားႏိုင္ငံမွာ ဘြဲ႕ရထားတဲ့သူေတြနဲ႔ ေတာ္႐ံုတန္႐ံုေတာ့ လစာရတာခ်င္း ယွဥ္ႏိုင္တဲ့သူေတြလည္း ႐ွိပါတယ္။ အေတြ႔အႀကံဳနဲ႔ အလုပ္ေပၚလည္း မူတည္သြားတာေပါ့။ ကံဆိုတာကိုလည္း ထည့္ေျပာခ်င္ပါတယ္။

စာဖတ္သူေတြထဲမွာ ဒီပလိုမာ ရထားသူေတြကလည္း အုပ္စုတစ္စု အေနနဲ႔ ေတြ႔ရပါတယ္။ ျမန္မာျပည္ကဆိုရင္ GTI (အင္ဂ်င္နီယာ)တို႔ LCCI (စာရင္းကိုင္) တို႔လို NCC (ကြန္ျပဴတာ) တို႔လို ဒီပလိုမာ ရထားသူေတြအေနနဲ႔ စကၤာပူမွာ အလုပ္တစ္ခု ရႏိုင္တာ ၾကားေနရပါတယ္။ လြယ္ေတာ့ မလြယ္လွပါဘူး။ စကၤာပူမွာ ေပၚလီၿပီးရင္ေတာ့ ဒီပလိုမာ ဆိုေပမယ့္ အလုပ္အကိုင္ဆိုတာ ျမန္မာျပည္က ဘြဲ႕ရ တစ္ေယာက္ထက္ အမ်ားႀကီး အဆင္ေျပပါတယ္။ ဒါေပမယ့္ ေရ႐ွည္မွာေတာ့ စကားေျပာႏိုင္ပါတယ္။ အဲဒါေၾကာင့္လည္း ေပၚလီၿပီးရင္ တျခားေက်ာင္းေတြ ဆက္တက္ၾကတာ ေတြ႔ေနရပါတယ္။ ဒီပို႔စ္မွာ ဘြဲ႕လြန္အေၾကာင္း ေျပာခ်င္တာ ဆိုေတာ့ ဒီအေၾကာင္းကို ေပၚလီဆင္းေတြ ေရးထားရင္ ဖတ္ရတာ ပိုေကာင္းမွာပါ။ ဘာပဲျဖစ္ျဖစ္ အသက္ကို ရမ္းမွန္းလိုက္မယ္ဆိုရင္ ဒီဘေလာ့မွာ လူငယ္ေတြလည္း ဖတ္တယ္ ဆိုတာသိရတဲ့အတြက္ ၀မ္းသာပါတယ္။

Graduate ပဲ ဆိုေပမည့္လည္း ႏိုင္ငံျခားမွာ Graduate တက္ခြင့္ဖို႔ ရဖို႔ရယ္ အခ်ိန္ရယ္ စားရိတ္ရယ္က အဲဒီမွာ မာစတာ တက္ဖို႔ ထက္ ပိုခက္ခဲ ပိုၾကာ ပိုကုန္က်ပါတယ္။ NTU က မာစတာရထားတဲ့သူ တစ္ေယာက္ထက္ NUS မွာ Graduate ျဖစ္ထားတဲ့သူက အလုပ္အကိုင္ ပိုေကာင္းတယ္ဆိုရင္လည္း အံ့ၾသစရာ မဟုတ္ပါဘူး။ ႏိုင္ငံျခားမွာ Graduate ရထားသူေတြ ဘ၀ကိုေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ့္အေနနဲ႔ Personally အထင္ႀကီး အားက်ပါတယ္။    


ကၽြန္ေတာ့္ အသိအေတာ္ မ်ားမ်ားက စကၤာပူမွာ Master တက္ၿပီး ရသြားၾကတာေတြ႔ေတာ့ ကၽြန္ေတာ္လည္း နည္းနည္း စိတ္ယိုင္လာပါတယ္။ မာစတာ မေျပာနဲ႔ Ph.D တက္ေနသူေတြ ၿပီးသြားသူေတာင္ ေတြ႔ေန ၾကားေနရျပန္ေရာ။ အခုအခ်ိန္မွာ သူတို႔ကို ယွဥ္ႏိုင္ေသးေပမယ့္ ေနာင္ ၅ ႏွစ္ ၁၀ ႏွစ္မွာေတာ့ မယွဥ္ႏိုင္ေလာက္ေတာ့ပါဘူး။ ဘြဲ႕လြန္ပညာေရးေတြကလည္း အဲဒီ အခ်ိန္မွာ အဓိက လိုအပ္လာမွာ။ ကိုယ္က မာစတာဘြဲ႕ကို အသံုးခ်ၿပီး တစ္ဆင့္ တက္လွမ္းမယ္ ဆိုရင္ေပါ့။ Master တက္ေနေၾကာင္း ၿပီးသြားေၾကာင္း ၾကားေန ျမင္ေနရေပမယ့့္ ေသခ်ာေအာင္ စစ္တမ္း တစ္ခု ေကာက္ၾကည့္ပါတယ္။ အဲဒီမွာပဲ ေတြ႔ေတာ့တယ္။ အားပါးပါး မာစတာၿပီးတဲ့သူ အေရအတြက္ဟာ ဘြဲ႕ သို႔မဟုတ္ ဒီပလိုမာ ရတဲ့သူနဲ႕ တူေနပါတယ္။ ၄၇% ဆီ ႐ွိၾကပါတယ္။ Ph.D ပါ ေပါင္းလိုက္ရင္ ဘြဲ႕လြန္သမားေတြကေတာ့ ပိုမ်ားေနပါလား။

စကၤာပူနဲ႔ တျခားႏိုင္ငံေတြမွာ မာစတာ ရတဲ့သူက တ၀က္နီးပါးစီ ႐ွိၾကၿပီး ၅ ပံု ၁ပံုကပဲ ျမန္မာျပည္မွာ ရထားသူေတြပါ။ စပ်စ္သီး ခ်ဥ္ႏိုင္ပါတယ္။ စကၤာပူမွာ မာစတာဘြဲ႕ေတြကို ေ႐ွာက္သီးေဆးျပား ေရာင္းသလို ေပါေပါပဲပဲ ေပးေနတယ္လို႔။ အစိုးရက ေက်ာင္းေတြ ဆက္တက္ေအာင္ ဖိအားေပးတယ္။ လမ္းေၾကာင္း ေပးတယ္လို႔။ ဒါေပမယ့္ အဲဒီက ေက်ာင္းေတြ ျဖစ္တဲ့ NTU တို႔ NUS တို႔ဟာ ကမၻာ႔အဆင့္အတန္းမီၿပီး အသိအမွတ္ျပဳတဲ့ အတြက္ အဲဒီမွာ ဘြဲ႕ရထားေတြ သူေတြ အေနနဲ႔ ဘယ္မွာပဲ ျဖစ္ျဖစ္ ဘဲြ႕ကို အသံုးခ်ႏိုင္ပါတယ္။

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45 comments:

Anonymous - 8/3/09, 10:20 AM

My addiction to check yr blog everyday pays off.

An interesting post indeed.

I am also doubtful of the cost-effectiveness of post-grad education. Hope we can brainstorm on this.

Awaiting your next post on this subject.

Pls keep it up.

Rgds,

Ko Myo (SG)

Anonymous - 8/3/09, 1:27 PM

"NTU က မာစတာရထားတဲ့သူ တစ္ေယာက္ထက္ NUS မွာ Graduate ျဖစ္ထားတဲ့သူက အလုပ္အကိုင္ ပိုေကာင္းတယ္ဆိုရင္လည္း အံ့ၾသစရာ မဟုတ္ပါဘူး။ "

U r right..

So easy to get entrance in NTU...even though U r in very low grade degree holder in Myanmar..

anyway it's better ...

Anonymous - 8/3/09, 3:12 PM

I always visit your web.I am post-graduate student from maynamr but haven't finish my thesis.now I am working in singapore and try to attend some part time course in post grad program in sg.thank you for sharing.

Anonymous - 8/3/09, 3:13 PM

Pls proceed ur post. thanks you.

Anonymous - 8/3/09, 3:17 PM

Very useful post. ! I am thinking to push my hubby to attend Master at NTU. I will be looking forward next posts !

Anonymous - 8/3/09, 10:13 PM

To Anonymous(8/3/09 1:27 PM),

I'm graduated from NUS(undergraduate bachelor) not useless and cheap MSC from NTU and I just found that all those ones with very bad English assent and no capability at work are from NTU(Post graduate people).I really agree with Ko Andy's post(especially" NTU က မာစတာရထားတဲ့သူ တစ္ေယာက္ထက္ NUS မွာ Graduate ျဖစ္ထားတဲ့သူက အလုပ္အကိုင္ ပိုေကာင္းတယ္ဆိုရင္လည္း အံ့ၾသစရာ မဟုတ္ပါဘူး။) and (စကၤာပူနဲ႔ တျခားႏိုင္ငံေတြမွာ မာစတာ ရတဲ့သူက တ၀က္နီးပါးစီ ႐ွိၾကၿပီး ၅ ပံု ၁ပံုကပဲ ျမန္မာျပည္မွာ ရထားသူေတြပါ။ စပ်စ္သီး ခ်ဥ္ႏိုင္ပါတယ္။ စကၤာပူမွာ မာစတာဘြဲ႕ေတြကို ေ႐ွာက္သီးေဆးျပား ေရာင္းသလို ေပါေပါပဲပဲ ေပးေနတယ္လို႔။ အစိုးရက ေက်ာင္းေတြ ဆက္တက္ေအာင္ ဖိအားေပးတယ္။ လမ္းေၾကာင္း ေပးတယ္လို႔။ ဒါေပမယ့္ အဲဒီက ေက်ာင္းေတြ ျဖစ္တဲ့ NTU တို႔ NUS တို႔ဟာ ကမၻာ႔အဆင့္အတန္းမီၿပီး အသိအမွတ္ျပဳတဲ့ အတြက္ အဲဒီမွာ ဘြဲ႕ရထားေတြ သူေတြ အေနနဲ႔ ဘယ္မွာပဲ ျဖစ္ျဖစ္ ဘဲြ႕ကို အသံုးခ်ႏိုင္ပါတယ္။ )

Shinlay - 8/3/09, 10:23 PM

စိတ္၀င္စားစရာေကာင္းတဲ့ Post ေလးပါ။ က်မဂ်ာမနီ ေရာက္စက ့Ph.D ဆက္တက္ဖို ့စဥ္းစားေသးတယ္။ ေနာက္ထဲ့တြက္မိတာေတြက ေပးရမဲ့အခ်ိန္ရယ္၊က်မရဲ ့အသက္ရယ္၊ ကုန္က်မဲ့ေငြရယ္၊ ဘြဲ ့လြန္ၿပီးရင္ အလုပ္ရႏိုင္တဲ့အခြင့္အလမ္းရယ္၊ ဘာသာစကားကြ်မ္းက်င္မႈရယ္...
ဒါနဲ ့ပဲ အခ်ိန္လည္းတို၊ သိပ္လည္းမခက္၊ အလုပ္ အခြင့္အလမ္းလည္း႐ွိမယ္ထင္တဲ့ Diploma တခုကိုေ႐ြးတက္ျဖစ္ခဲ့တယ္။
တခ်ိဳ ့ကေတာ့ Master ကေန Dilpoma အဆင့္နဲ ့အလုပ္လုပ္ရတာ
စိတ္ထဲမွာဘယ္လိုေနပါသလဲလို ့ေမးၾကတယ္။
က်မကေတာ့ career အသစ္မွာ ေပ်ာ္ပါတယ္။ ဒီက Diploma ေတြနဲ ့ယွဥ္ျပီးလုပ္တဲ့အခါ ဘာသာစကား အားနဲေပမဲ့ ကိုယ္က ပိုလုပ္ႏိုင္တာ
ေတြ ့ရၿပီး ဦေဆာင္ႏိုင္ေၾကာင္း သိရပါတယ္။

Anonymous - 8/4/09, 12:28 AM

I wonder why there is always a bunch of hostile and brainless shit stirrers in Burmese blogosphere who are trying to contribute nothing but pathetic and provocative comments as follows:

...." I'm graduated from NUS(undergraduate bachelor) not useless and cheap MSC from NTU and I just found that all those ones with very bad English ASSENT and no capability at work are from NTU(Post graduate people).".....

I seriously takes issue with that. I am glad that you earned a highly regarded degree from NUS. But that does not entitle you to insult at others. The above comment reminds me of a saying: “An empty pot makes noise.” A good education is supposed to teach one to be humble, not to be arrogant even if he is heads and shoulders above the rest.

FYI, I holds my low-value Master from NTU and my English proficiency may not be world class. I would be overwhelmed with joy if the person who makes the above comment should be merciful enough to teach me some English lessons.

With all due respect to Ko Andy and others especially those graduated from NUS, I have NO intention to argue on which is higher between NTU and NUS. I hope we shall be mature enough to adopt “live and let live” attitude. I holds neither ill-will nor malice towards all those NUS guys as a whole, except the above self-important Mr Cocky Anonymous.

Ko Ko (YTU)

yanmyo - 8/4/09, 1:11 AM

အခ်ိန္ဘယ္ေလာက္ၾကာၾကာ ဘြဲ႕လြန္တက္ဖို႕ၾကိဳးစားေနရမွာပါဘဲ၊ အေမရိကန္မွာက သူတို႕ဆီကဘြဲ႕ရမွကိုး..၊
ၿမန္မာၿပည္ကေက်ာင္းသားေတြအေတာ္မ်ားမ်ားေတြ႕တယ္၊ ေက်ာင္းပိတ္ခ်ိန္မွာ စူရွီးလိပ္ရင္းေတြ႕ၾကတာ၊ စူရွီးက စားၿပီးေသာက္ၿပီး အသားတင္ တလ ၂၀၀၀ ၀န္းက်င္ရေတာ့ တခိ်ဳ႕လည္းစူရွီးဘက္ပါကုန္တယ္ၾကားတယ္၊

Anonymous - 8/4/09, 1:57 AM

Pls substitute my comment at 12:28 AM for the below:

I wonder why there is always a bunch of hostile and brainless shit stirrers in Burmese blogosphere who are trying to contribute nothing, but pathetic and provocative comments as follows:

...." I'm graduated from NUS(undergraduate bachelor) not useless and cheap MSC from NTU and I just found that all those ones with very bad English ASSENT and no capability at work are from NTU(Post graduate people).".....

I seriously take issue with that. I am glad that you earned a highly regarded degree from NUS. But that does not entitle you to insult at others. The above comment of yours reminds me of a saying: “An empty pot makes noise.” A good education is supposed to teach one to be humble, not to be arrogant even if he is heads and shoulders above the rest.

FYI, I hold my low-value Master from NTU and my English proficiency may not be world class. I would be overwhelmed with joy if the person who makes the above comment should be merciful enough to teach me some English lessons.

With all due respect to Ko Andy and others - especially those graduated from NUS, I have NO intention to argue on which is higher between NTU and NUS. I hope we shall be mature enough to adopt “live and let live” attitude. I hold neither ill-will nor malice towards all those NUS guys as a whole, except the above self-important Mr Cocky Anonymous.

Ko Ko (YTU)

Su - 8/4/09, 2:15 AM

its a nvr ending fight :)
funny thing is its between the ppl with intellect.
Oxford and Cambridge.
Yale and Harvard.
NUS and NTU
UoN and Monash.
but in the end, all u get is a framed paper with some old guys' signature and a photo with ugly robe and funny cap :P
don't take me wrong. i'm all about studying.
u can try to get A++ just by ur own effort which is quite impossible task when you are working.
i'm doing a part-time study.
hopefully, my funny cap and ugly robe will get me a promotion. :D

KoAung - 8/4/09, 2:48 AM

I have graduted from NUS and I have come across with a lot of NUS' Myanmar students whose English proficiencies are not very good (including myself). The level of English proficiency depends more on individuals rather than on schools.
However, I have observed a trend. Ploy and undergrad students generally have better commands of English than post-grad students. This is probably because the former group of people come to Singapore around the age of 18-20 when their abilities to adapt to a new language are still good. On the other hand, the post-grad students come to Singapore around the age of 25 when one's ability to adapt to a new language is starting to decline.

Anonymous - 8/4/09, 3:19 AM

Ko Andy,

Just don't pursue a postgrad degree just for the sake of "a piece of paper". It will be a waste of your time and money.

Every educational institution in the world is always concerned about enrollment figures in their programs. So, though there are some essential requirements for the entry into a program, less popular programs tend to have lower entry requirements than their more popular counterparts so that the enrollment figures can reach the targeted number.

Having said all this, I feel that the worth of that "piece of paper" which we obtain at the end of our course, is very much dependent on how we perceive it as.

**S**

Anonymous - 8/4/09, 3:26 AM

To KoAung,

Related to the commands of english, I would say that it is because of the time, also.
Most of the NUS Myanmar undergrads came from Poly. (I'm telling the truth. Don't feel angry, guys. :D)
As NUS asks super high SAT score for undergrads(nearly to 2000), it is quite difficult to get undergrads admission for Myanmar students who only passed the 10th std. So, they joined the poly after high school.

Yeah, there might be some ppl who joined to undergrads directly. I'm not telling to all.

So, for those who joined undergrads from poly, they have been in a country, that used English as a mother language, at least 5 years plus. (2 years poly+3 years in undergrads)
For postgrads, they needed to spend at most 1 to 2 years at their Masters and after that they worked.

So, in work environment, while comparing with undergrads, no wonder that undergrads are better in English than postgrads.
And I also would like to know whether those undergrads were good in English within 1 to 2 years like today ACCENT. :P

Just give some time to postgrads! :)

KoAung - 8/4/09, 4:28 AM

to: Anonymous - 8/4/09 3:26 AM

Yes, I agree with with. Language proficiency is also dependent on the duration of exposure to the language. But, I still believe that age is also a big factor. Older prople are much more difficult to blend into a new society/culture and adopt a new langague. Younger people are much better in these aspects. For the children whose ages are 10 years or below, they even tend to discard their old culture/language and then adopt the new ones.
Let me share my personal experience. I came to Singapore at the age of 26, studied at NUS for 1.5 years, and have worked for about 5 years. I am the only Myanmar in my office. Even in this case, my English proficiency is still not very good (especially for spoken English). I always envy the younger people who can speak English like their mother tongue. I feel myself like an old dog who cannot be easily taught the new tricks. :-)

KoAung - 8/4/09, 4:29 AM

my typo.

I agree with with -> I agree with you.

Anonymous - 8/4/09, 1:02 PM

this is for old ppl to learn english like a child
http://www.effortlessenglishclub.com
:)

Anonymous - 8/4/09, 1:21 PM

Hey Guys...

Master degree is not for $$$, English and not just only a paper...

It's to upgrade individual knowledge in this globalized world..

If U don't get it, U'll never be a better person comparing with your existing std..

U must keep up...if u want to better yrself...

Idiot...

Anonymous - 8/4/09, 3:07 PM

Reading this blog and reading comments and I thought to myself, I used to be like that. Being arrogant and thinks everyone needs to bow before me (exaggeration of course!). "I got into this university and no one is as smart as me. I am the top of the world." All sorts of arrogant thoughts in my head. That was six years ago.

Now I don't even want to utter which uni I went to or which degree program I pursued. Plus this saying always keeps me humble "Be nice to the people on the way up, because you never know who you will meet on the way down!"

If your fellow Burmese had bad English accent, help them. Teach them. Let them recognize their mistakes. If you don't know how to pronounce it, ask someone. There are so much stuff to learn that is not recorded in the piece of paper.

NTU or NUS, so what? what you care. its not about what school you went to. It's about whether you learn or not. Its not about book smart or street smart, it's about being able to balance yourself. It's not about I.Q or E.Q, its about how you make a difference to this world.

Don't get too wrap up in this peer pressure holier than thou shit. Everyone is unique and smart in their own. Embrace it.

Anonymous - 8/4/09, 5:14 PM

So what...?

You are arrogant agin...

It's funny....

PolyStudent - 8/5/09, 1:29 AM

Hello
I came to SG after my 10th standard . Now I m in Poly . Don't think that time ( staying in abroad , esp SG ) can make us to improve our english . I have been in Poly 12.35 months , yet i cannot communicate well in both english and mandarain . Coz my classmates only use Mandarain in class . I have no chance to talk in English . Only time i speak in English is "Presentation" & asking problems to teachers . As time pass thru , i improve only in listening skill of madarain language + some stupid singlish ( i try not to use as much as i can ) . As i m fm engineering , it is a very rare chance to enchance my writing skill . So, i take it as it is only me who have to reponsible "to improve all my English .... skills " as I have no choice ......

myatnoeethulay - 8/5/09, 3:03 AM

hello Ko andy,

I've been reading your blog lately and I just wanted to say something after I read this post.I hope I can share this information with other readers as well.
က်မ U.S ကစာဖတ္သူပါ.က်မကိုယ္တိုင္ဒီမွာ Undergrad Degree ကို Accounting နဲ႔ျပီးထားတာပါ.ဒီမွာအာရွကေက်ာင္းလာတတ္တဲ့လူေတာ္မ်ားမ်ားနဲ႔တျခားႏိုင္ငံကေက်ာင္းသားမ်ားပာာ Undergrad Degree နဲ႔မရပ္ႀကပဲ Master Degree , Ph.D အထိသြားႀကပါတယ္..။ဒီႏိုင္ငံမွာလစာေကာင္းေကာင္းနဲ႔အလုပ္လုပ္ခြင့္H-1 visaရဖို႔အတြက္ အေမရိကန္လူမ်ိဴးေတြနဲ႔ယွဥ္ရင္ ကိုယ္ကအစစအရာရာသာမွ H-1visa ရမွမို႔လို႔ပါ.။ ကိုယ့္ႏိုင္ငံကိုယ္ျပန္မဲ့လူအတြက္ကပူစရာမလိုပဲ မာစတာေတြအထိမတတ္ပဲျပန္သြားရုံပါပဲ။ International Student နဲ႔လာတတ္တဲ့ေက်ာင္းသားအမ်ားစုပာာ Undergrade Degree ရျပီးေပမဲ့ ဒီဘြဲ႔နဲ႔ အလုပ္ဗီဇာမရရင္ ဒီမွာေနထိုင္ခြင့္ရရွိဖို႔အတြက္ ေက်ာင္းျပန္တက္ရပါတယ္.။ေကာလိပ္ ၂ႏွစ္တက္ျပီးရတဲ့Associate Degreeပာာဒီမွာအသုံးမဝင္ပါဘူး။အနည္းဆံုး Bachelor Degree ၇ွိမွအလုပ္ေလွ်ာက္မွရမွာပါ။ Masterရွိမွ မ်က္ႏွာပနး ္လွျပီးေရရွည္ေနထိုင္ဖို႔အတြက္အဆင္ေျပပါတယ္..။Master ရွိမွ လစာတိုးရမွာပါ. သူမ်ားနဲ႔ယွဥ္ရမဲ့အခါႀကရင္ေပါ့။ အာရွေက်ာင္းသားေတာ္ေတာ္မ်ားပာာ ဒီမွာေနထိုင္ဖို႔အတြက္ Master and Ph.D အထိသြားႀကပါတယ္.။ International student Status နဲ႔ေက်ာင္းတတ္ခ်င္ရင္ ဘယ္ဘြဲ႔အတြက္မဆို ကိုယ့္ေငြနဲ႔ကိုယ္တတ္ရပါတယ္.။အစိုးရနဲ႔ေက်ာင္းကေငြေခ်းခြင့္မရွိပါဘူး.။
ဒီU.S ကေက်ာင္းတတ္ရတာဘယ္လိုဆိုတာသိေစခ်င္လို႔ေရးလိုက္တာပါ.။ကိုအန္ဒီကို သိလဲမသိ၊ခြင့္လဲမေတာင္းပဲေရးလိုက္တဲ့အတြက္ ဒီေနရာကေနပဲခြင့္ေတာင္းလိုက္ပါတယ္ေနာ္..။
ေက်ာင္းတတ္ရတာဘယ္လိုဆိုတာအေသးစိတ္သိခ်င္ရင္က်မကိုေမးလို႔ရပါတယ္ေနာ္။

CEO - 8/6/09, 2:32 AM

Alright! Alright!. Guys....
Try hard as much as you can.
My company needs so many educated staffs in every area....

from
CEO of XXX world wide company. :P

Anonymous - 8/7/09, 12:37 PM

အသက္သံုးဆယ္ေက်ာ္မွ ကိုယ့္ဘဝေအာင္ျမင္ဖို့ ဘြဲ့တစ္ခုထပ္လိုတယ္ထင္ရင္... အင္း... high school mentality. တကယ္ေအာင္ျမင္ခ်င္ရင္ တကယ့္ေလာကထဲက ဘာေတြေလ့လာ အသံုးခ်ႏိုင္မလည္းဆိုတာရွာ။ ေသခ်ာတာကေတာ့ တကၠသိုလ္မွာ ရွာမေတြ့ႏိုင္ဘူး။

KoAung - 8/7/09, 5:14 PM

To Anonymous (8/7/09 12:37 PM),

Here is an interesting link:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/766831.html

According to him, 99 out of 100 of the CEOs of Fortune 100 companies have their bachelor degrees, and "most" of them has attended graduate schools (post-graduate in UK English).

This implies that formal university education has its own merits.

Of course, whether you want to pursue a university degree or want to do a self-study of a subject/technology is your own choice. But, also please respect the choices of others and do not criticise them hashly.

KoAung - 8/7/09, 5:43 PM

If we measure one's level of success by the amount his/her income, pursuring further studies may probably be a way to go.
Please look at the following statistics.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0883617.html

Statistically, master/higher degree holders earn more than mere bachelor degree holders.

REVO - 8/7/09, 6:19 PM

Anonymous - 8/7/09 12:37 PM
It's true. I agree with you. Education is important. But getting a good education from school no longer ensures success.
It is foolish to assume that the education the school system provides will prepare us for the world we will face upon graduation. Everyone needs more education. But different education. Check it out!!!

Anonymous - 8/7/09, 6:36 PM

ကိုေအာင္တို့ကေတာ့ ကိုအန္ဒီရဲ့ Defense Secretaryမ်ားလား ေအာက္ေမ့ရတယ္။ က်ဳပ္ဆုိလိုတာက ခင္ဗ်ားပခံုးႏွစ္ခုၾကားက အရာက ေအာင္ျမင္မွုအတြက္ အေရးအၾကီးဆံုးပဲ။ အမ်ားစု (I said အမ်ားစု)က ေက်ာင္းထပ္တက္ရင္ Auto ေအာင္ျမင္မယ္ ထင္တတ္ၾကတယ္။ Corporateႀကီးႀကီးတစ္ခုမွာ လခေကာင္းေကာင္းနဲ့ title ႀကီးႀကီးဟာ Ultimate Goal ဆိုရင္ Post Grad Qualification ဟာ တကယ္အေရးႀကီးပါတယ္။ ၿပည္ပေရာက္ ဗမာအမ်ားစုဟာလည္း ဒီေလာက္Scopeပဲ ေတြးတတ္တယ္။ ဥပမာတစ္ခုေျပာျပမယ္၊ ခင္ဗ်ား ကရာေတး ကစားဘူးလားမသိဘူး။ ခါးစီးဘယ္ေလာက္ျမင့္ျမင့္၊ ခတ (ကကြက္) ဘယ္ေလာက္ေကာင္းေကာင္း လက္မယဥ္ရင္ အျပင္မွာ ခံရဖို့ကေသခ်ာပါတယ္။ တကယ ္Fightႏိုင္ပါေစ။

CEO - 8/7/09, 6:42 PM

Who is this REVO? Huhhhhhhh? :) Just kidding.
You have different way of thinking. Aimmmmm.... all of the Commentator here can be my employees except you. May be.....you will become my competitor. hahaha. Because you check it out for different education system for the real life. :P

Anonymous - 8/7/09, 6:54 PM

ကရာေတးဥပမာကို ဖတ္ၿပီး ဘာသာေရးဆိုင္ရာတခုသတိရသြားတယ္။ ပါလိလိုမ၇ိုက္တတ္လို့ plainေ၇းလိုက္ပါတယ္။ ပတိပတ္တိနဲ့ ပရိယတ္တိဆိုၿပီး ၇ွိတာသိၾကမွာပါ။ ပရိယတ္တိဟာ master, ph.d န့ဲတူပါတယ္။ ဒါေပမယ့္ နိတ္ဗန္ေ၇ာက္ဖို့ကေတာ့ ပတိပတ္တိ practice and experience ႏိုင္မွ ရပါတယ္။ ေ၇ွ့တန္းမွာ ပညာတတ္ဗိုလ္ၾကီးက အမိန့္ေပးေကာင္းလို့ နာခံရၿပီး ေသသြားတဲ့ အေတြ့အႀကံဳ၇ွိ စစ္သားႀကီးေတြလည္း ၇ွိပါတယ္။ ပညာတတ္တယ္ဆိုၿပီး သိပ္ဘဝင္မျမင္ပါနဲ့။ ဘြဲ့မ၇ွိပဲ Billionaireျဖစ္ေနတဲ့သူေတြ အမ်ားႀကီးဆိုတာေကာ သိၾကရဲ့လားမသိ။ ကိုေအာင္ကေတာ့ မသိဖို့မ်ားတယ္။ statisically အထက္ဖား ေအာက္ဖိၿပီး ခလယ္မွာထိုင္တဲ့ မန္ေနဂ်ာျဖစ္ခ်င္ရင္ေတာ့ ဒီလိုလူေတြအေၾကာင္းဘယ္သိပါ့မလဲ။

Anonymous - 8/7/09, 6:56 PM

ခြိခြိ love it.

CEO - 8/7/09, 7:10 PM

har byar:.....shuu..toetoe.......
I need higher educated employees who can be hanging around and faithful to my company. So that they can make me rich. Job security is not my problem. Thier problem. If something happen, I will kick out them. :P

Anonymous - 8/7/09, 7:49 PM

don't worry CEO, they will get another degree to find another job ;)

CEO - 8/7/09, 8:27 PM

imm... hote par pi.. never ending pawt. :)

KoAung - 8/8/09, 3:15 AM

To: Anonymous - 8/7/09 6:36 PM

I am talking about the mundane objectives that we used to have in life such as making more money, getting promoted to a higher position, etc. But, if your life's objectives are different (like wanting to be happy, wanting do to social services, wanting to fight for freedom of Myanmar, etc.) my arguments may not be applicable. You may not need a bachelor or a master degree to do these kind of things. After all, it is all about our own choices for life, my friend.

KoAung - 8/8/09, 3:47 AM

To: Anonymous - 8/7/09 6:54 PM
Of course both theory and practice are important.
Regarding Priyati and Pripati, we should promote both and denounce none of them.
Regarding your battlefield example, I also have a counter example. General Eisenhower had no battleground experience before he became a commander in WWII. Yet, he led the historic operations like Normandy Invasion successfully. (But, I know he may be an exceptional case.)
Regarding the billionaires without a bachelor degree, I know the names like Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Michael Dell, etc. But, on the other hand, there are a number of billionaires who are the holders of bachelor/master degrees as well. At least Warren Buffett is one of them. He has an MA in economics. (I have read his biography recently.) If I have time, I will do a survey on top 20 self-made billionaires and see who are university graduates and who are not. My current guess is that Gates, Ellison, Dell, etc. may be the exceptional cases.
(We have to be very careful about the general and the exceptional cases. For instance, it might be safe is say that “Americans are generally wealthier than Myanmar people”. One cannot deny that fact by showing U Tayza and a bagger from America as examples.)

Anonymous - 8/8/09, 10:25 AM

ဟုတ္ပ၊ ကိုေအာင္။ ေသခ်ာဖတ္ရင္ ပ၇ိပတ္တိကို denounceလုပ္မထားဘဲ ပတိပတ္တိကသာ ပန္းတိုင္ေ၇ာက္မယ္လို့ေ၇းထားတာ သိမွာပါ။ mandane objective like making money, getting promoted??? I think you may be right with getting promoted part, but making more money? it has nothing to do with degree. May be, with a paid job which i believe is your ultimate goal. If you really want more money, try to escape from paid job :). Thanks for the perfect example - Buffet has proved us why people with really intelligent(Not Uni Degree) can become rich. Otherwise, all MA in economics should be billionaires, shouldn't they? All the best with your promotion.

Anonymous - 8/8/09, 10:26 AM

i meant ပ၇ိယတ္တိ.

MBA - 8/8/09, 3:02 PM

သူ ့ရည္မွန္းခ်က္နဲ ့သူနဲ ့ ေတာ့ မွန္ပါတယ္ဗ်ာ။ နည္းနည္းေလး ေဖာက္ထြက္ပီး ေတြးမယ္ ဆိုရင္ေတာ့ Anonymous - 8/8/09 10:25 AM ဆိုလိုတာကို သူသေဘာေပါက္ မွာပါ။
အေတြးအၿမင္သစ္ကေလးေတာ့ လိုတာေပါ့။

toffee_apple - 8/9/09, 12:16 AM

(^_^) I'm also a POly student .....as da comment in Polystudent 8/5/09 1:29 am.....
I agree with him/her totally.....I'm also in the same situation....I got to singapore with my 10th standard results...
With respect to the improvement in English, I think it has nothing to do with my poly student life.....My class has a lot of chinese classmates and now Chinese become the major communication tool between us...On top of that, i am also an engineering student, so, i don't have much chance to get exposed to speak in english...I can speak Chinese pretty well like native chinese already..this is the only thing that i think I've improved much.--my chinese pronunciation I mean...
For English, i think my language is still far behind others..still the same level as it was in 2 years ago...No improvement at all...In opposite, now i become more and more get used to broken grammar..... :)
Really need to leave an hour or 2 everday for IELTS .... :) (for self-study)
All in all, in my view, no matter whether we are a undergrat student from NUS(let's say come from Poly) or a post graduate student.... , we all are the same.....we all grew up under the same non-English speaking environment.....
Whether our English is smart or not maybe based on a lot of factors, like individuals' hardwork, one's childhood learning environment, and so on.... Just try our best to keep up with native English speakers.. =) .... All in all, life is a never-ending learning journey... Enjoying every single day is the best :P
TOMORROW WILL BE A BETTER DAY

Anonymous - 8/10/09, 4:11 PM

Just a piece of my thoughts...Most masters graduates who came from MM attended post graduate studies in engineering fields and these days in IT related fields. The nature of the courses are very much in technical terms and therefore no much emphasis on language skills except when it comes to presentations. Moreover, they would mostly likely to speak in native language as their project mates are most likely to be from the same country as well. When they come into the work force, it's the environment which will shape the way they speak.That would properly explain on the weakness on their language skills.

As for which school is better between NUS and NTU, I do not think there's much difference. It depends more on the person than the school in who he/she turned out to be. I used to go after rankings of Unis but these days are over since I've come to realize that it's the ability of the person and how much he/she can get out of the course rather than the prestige aspect of attending a certain school.

As for whether or not to continue with Masters, I believe that education is for life long learning and should always be continued as far as possible. Since education doesn't come free in some countries, one has to consider factors in monetary terms, time and effort required to complete the course and possible benefits arising from this. For example, in finance sector(securities and capital markets related), it's almost a necessity to obtain post graduate studies in finance related subject or business administration.

And I'd also like to make a point that most post graduate students from MM who study full time are on the track of maybe landing the first job unlike their local peers who are pursuing the same course for different purposes.

-Viewpoint

ေမ၁၅ - 8/15/09, 2:14 AM

Hi, I was graduated from Poly in 2003. I reached here in 2000 and I have been here for >9 years. Frankly, not all poly students' english is good. And it's not the fact that young people can learn faster than older one. I was only 18 when I reached here. Even after I came out from poly, my english was still bad. How did I improve my english? Well, in order to go for further study, I gotta learn Toefl and SAT (I was thinking to go out from S'pore for my further study at that time). So,that is the reason.Don't be suprised that some of my classmates are still using Singlish till now. I have another point of view for studying Master (It's my thinking. It can be wrong and I am gonna talk about engineering only because I am in engineering field)If you wanna study master, I think you'd better study Research(M.E). You can really learn it and you can dream of your promotion, higher position,better salary and your life journey. If you wanna go for Coursework, I think you are wasting time. Because in s'pore, some companies(not all) don't really appreciate Coursework Master (M.Sc) in some of the engineering fields. They may pay you same salary as graduate from Local Uni. But unfortunately, many myanmar studtens have to take coursework in order to get to study in Local Uni and I do agree that it's the better way to get PR securely. Honestly, it's not easy to go for Research also. Even local graduates must obtain at least 2nd lower to apply for Research in NUS. I am not sure about NTU.

Anonymous - 8/31/09, 6:09 AM

I'm wondering why burmese people always exclude SMU in the prestigious universities list in SG. Maybe it is not easily accessible for burmese ppl to pursue their education there. The majority of the undergrads come from JCs (not polys). There is no conventional way to join SMU for burmese people.
(FYI, SMU is not SIM =))

Andy Myint - 8/31/09, 9:05 AM
Ha ha.. perhaps. I did mention and give some regards to SMU in this post "ႏိုင္ငံျခားကို အထင္မႀကီးသူမ်ား ". But it is not that common amongst Burmese.
ဘဝင္ရူး - 8/31/09, 12:21 PM

ေၾသာ္.....ၿမန္မာ.....ၿမန္မာ.....ၿမန္မာ။ ကိုယ္လည္းအပါအဝင္ေပါ့ကြာ။

Anonymous - 8/31/09 6:09 AM ကို ရည္ရြယ္ပါသည္။

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